Orgeron, by no means, is a "polished" head coach. Very rough around the edges. A "blue collar" coach. Don't know if that translates to being an effective head coach recruiter. A concern of mine since day 1. Tiger fans that love the coach unequivocally can't see this at all. I'll paint a picture. Can you imagine a highly touted recruit having his final visit with Ed Orgeron and then having a visit with Nick Saban or Jimbo Fisher or Urban Meyer or Dabo Sweeney or any of the top notch coaches in America? LSU is supposed to be a top notch program. But if you think about or imagine the living room with the kid and the parents and those coaches versus Orgeron, it doesn't look good. Orgeron was a life long position coach for a reason. It's all about sales. The top notch coaches have a different story, a different anecdote every time. They can evaluate the kid and the parents quickly, and like any good sales person, come up with something that relates to them. If I hear "one team one heartbeat" or a "gumbo" comment again, this doesn't bode well for LSU. It seems like the head coach is limited. Always been a concern of mine. Head-coaching at this level is a big-time job. And simply put, I don't know if Orgeron is a big-time head coach. And anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. Everyone should be thinking right now, I just don't know if this guy is a big time coach or not. Anyone who has confidence that he is, is simply in denial at this point. The great unknown.
The coach is on a short leash because of what I just mentioned. If he has a substandard recruiting class, that's strike one. Too many 3 stars at this point. And the decommitments at this time are staggering. Not good. Very different from last 15 recruiting cycles. One thing that all tiger fans should feel pretty good about is the fact that Aranda is on the staff. Miles' guy could end up being the next head coach. He is not "blue collar" or "unpolished". Or would repeat the same lines over and over and over again.
I hope this is just a rumor but I heard Orgeron has a big bass drum with "one team one heartbeat" painted on it. That's ridiculous. This is a major college program not McNeese State or Nichols or even high school. Doesnt work in 2017. That's position coach material not major college head coach material. Very concerned
Fival wrote this:
I will start off by saying...we do have some time before next February rolls around, but there is a pattern developing here. So far in this class the #25, #54, #60 and #70 rated player's in the country have de-committed from our class. In addition to that, it sounds like #22 and #97 are leaning heavily toward another school and we know that #99 previously committed to our main rival and we are no where close to locking down his commitment.
That now leaves us only 1 commitment left in the top 100. If we hadn't lost any of those de-com's, we would have the #1 rated recruiting class in the country at this point. I'm just saying with this being a slightly down year in the state of La, we can't afford to lose any more 4 stars, no matter what position they play. I would rather be stealing top 100 players from other schools than the other way around.
Once again, fivil writes:
So far in this class the #25, #54, #60 and #70 rated player's in the country have de-committed from our class
But no one seems to have a problem with this except the fans living in reality. That don't justify every single thing. It tells me very clearly, that Orgeron gets in front of these kids first, and is a strong position coach type recruiter, and get them to commit. Then they go talk to an established head coach that is much more polished and refined than Orgeron, and decommit. Not good.
In case you "homers" forgot, last year was historic. For the first time in Louisiana high school recruiting history another SINGLE school, besides LSU, got the majority of the top notch talent. Has never happened before. But don't be concerned. It's all cool.
Jesus Christ just decommitted from LSU.
"it's OK, it's not like the guy could walk on water"
Love the justifications. Orgeron can do no wrong. Beautiful
The coach is on a short leash because of what I just mentioned. If he has a substandard recruiting class, that's strike one. Too many 3 stars at this point. And the decommitments at this time are staggering. Not good. Very different from last 15 recruiting cycles. One thing that all tiger fans should feel pretty good about is the fact that Aranda is on the staff. Miles' guy could end up being the next head coach. He is not "blue collar" or "unpolished". Or would repeat the same lines over and over and over again.
I hope this is just a rumor but I heard Orgeron has a big bass drum with "one team one heartbeat" painted on it. That's ridiculous. This is a major college program not McNeese State or Nichols or even high school. Doesnt work in 2017. That's position coach material not major college head coach material. Very concerned
No, I just go where the facts lead me. One thing that is constant is change. And the Sterns decommitment, yet another one in this class, is concerning. That's all
Dabo is definitely a young head coach. But he is about 15 years younger than Orgeron and has a national championship. And played for another. To compare the two would be utterly ridiculous. No one in America would say they're basically the same coach. No one
Fival wrote this:
I will start off by saying...we do have some time before next February rolls around, but there is a pattern developing here. So far in this class the #25, #54, #60 and #70 rated player's in the country have de-committed from our class. In addition to that, it sounds like #22 and #97 are leaning heavily toward another school and we know that #99 previously committed to our main rival and we are no where close to locking down his commitment.
That now leaves us only 1 commitment left in the top 100. If we hadn't lost any of those de-com's, we would have the #1 rated recruiting class in the country at this point. I'm just saying with this being a slightly down year in the state of La, we can't afford to lose any more 4 stars, no matter what position they play. I would rather be stealing top 100 players from other schools than the other way around.
The judgement period will be shorter than 3 years
I hope you are right. But obviously we hear the coach at press conferences and the like. I'm just very skeptical, obviously, about if he has the wherewithal to handle a job this big. If I hear that "one team one heartbeat" crap again or something about "gumbo", I'm going to blow my brains out. It's 2017. The same gimmick over and over again does not translate with these kids. His problem at Ole Miss was he was still an assistant coach being a head coach. At least what he says publicly, I don't know if he's learned from that. When you're competing against other schools, his love for Louisiana, his love for LSU, doesn't mean anything to them. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not sold yet at all. "One team, one heartbeat". Enough all ready!
That's ridiculous. What am I supposed to never judge the coach?!? You tell me when it's OK to judge him. When he's crosses some finish line and then we can all be critical or not. That's so silly. Read that post that talks about all the commitments that Orgeron has lost just this class. Coupled with last year, any Tiger fan would be concerned with that. And if you're not, I question how much of a Tiger fan you are. That's kind of the problem with this head coach. Many tiger fans are more concerned about him succeeding then the program as a whole. They've connected themselves to him, not because he's the head coach, but because he's one of us, a Louisiana native, who loves LSU, and is Cajun. I don't give a crap about any of that.
How long are you going to keep saying the same stuff over and over again. Do you think Saban or Les Miles had teams that were tight or together? It's silly. It's what a position coach says. The "rah rah" stuff gets old from a head coach. Especially when the message never changes. These kids are going to stop listening to this
I'm giving him a chance. But obviously you scrutinize the head coach all the time. You don't just wait and see. Last year, everyone on this site thought the recruiting class was going to finish up strong, not weak. And we know it finished up very weak. Losing all those players to Alabama and even FSU. And only signing 23. And now losing a bunch of players that were previously committed. If you're not concerned with the recruiting right now, you're not paying attention. I know it's still very early but the coach is going backwards, losing commitments, instead of gaining top notch commitments. Yes, I'm very concerned
I hear ya. You're right. I just don't like how the recruiting class finished up last year and I don't like all the losses of previously committed players this year. That's all. The guy was hired with the thought that he is one of the best recruiters in the country. As an assistant coach, maybe so. Recruiting as a head coach Is much different. And like I previously said, the blue-collar mentality and how unpolished he is, worries me greatly. The competition is very mentally focused and is very polished and refined. Orgeron is not
Why are you trying to justify the loss of a top 55 player, that obviously LSU wanted, and he decommitted. It's a concern. This is a guy LSU wanted and he told them no ultimately. I guarantee you the coaches are concerned or they should be. Read the previous post about all the top 100 guys that were committed that now have decommitted. LSU is going backwards right now. Not a good thing
Once again, fivil writes:
So far in this class the #25, #54, #60 and #70 rated player's in the country have de-committed from our class
But no one seems to have a problem with this except the fans living in reality. That don't justify every single thing. It tells me very clearly, that Orgeron gets in front of these kids first, and is a strong position coach type recruiter, and get them to commit. Then they go talk to an established head coach that is much more polished and refined than Orgeron, and decommit. Not good.
So if Sterns stayed it would be a mistake?!? I'm confused. Either coaches are idiots for offering with all the others guys you mentioned or they wanted Sterns. Which one is it? Can't be both.
Wow. You got time there. So many facts you just listed. How do I respond?!? Thanks HomerHell yat... You wouldn't know a fact if hit you upside that asshole you speak out of!
S.C.
Oh ok. And Ill wait a few years too. Recruiting is happening right now. I major commit just decommitted. I'm pretty sure that this site is primarily a recruiting site. I'll shut up though. Hahahaha. Another brilliant post by a "homer". Fair and objective. Great post
As I stated, I'm just re-posting another guy's post.
You are absolutely, 110% wrong on that. Totally wrong. Les Miles hired Aranda. Locked him into a three-year deal. Miles' guy. Miles' hire. A Miles guy. You know, the guy who hired Orgeron. End of story. You are wrong. Obviously. How do you not know that?
Ahhhhhhhh, really? I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. I'll keep quiet until then. You too. And everyone else. No more forums. Too funny. Pure gold
Who's blaming it on someone else? I just reposted with another guy put up there. That wouldn't be blaming it on anyone. That would be taking the exact responsibility of what I actually did. Simple. Relax, your slip is showing
I would be much more concerned about the head coach who has so much to prove. Who has absolutely done nothing yet. Who you and a bunch of other homers thought was going to hit a grand slam homerun on recruiting day last year. Instead he lost all the key guys he was trying to get. And only signed 23. But you're right, he's a recruiting God. I guess he just took the day off last year. Let's hope this year is different. He is no longer a position coach, where he has been for over 90% of his college career except his failed attempt as a head coach in Mississippi. To be the best, you have to beat the best. So far he is 0-fer. Do you think for a minute Saban or Fisher or any other high end coach for that matter is concerned about Orgeron at LSU? Please. The opposite. More coaches than ever are coming into Louisiana because they feel LSU is vulnerable . After last year's recruiting debacle, why would anyone think otherwise. Orgeron needs to prove LSU owns Louisiana.
In case you "homers" forgot, last year was historic. For the first time in Louisiana high school recruiting history another SINGLE school, besides LSU, got the majority of the top notch talent. Has never happened before. But don't be concerned. It's all cool.
From the constant "homer" posts, I would say everyday. It is funny though. The Orgeron fans, strictly because is from Louisiana, are hysterical. Sad and pathetic, but funny.
Jesus Christ just decommitted from LSU.
"it's OK, it's not like the guy could walk on water"
Love the justifications. Orgeron can do no wrong. Beautiful
I agree. But it's worse than that. I would say the homer fans forget to take their meds every day. Something mentally wrong with them. No doubt about it. The real LSU fans, they want to win. Not be appeased. The truth hurts but that's how you actually can improve.
Children. Sad
Unlike you, I actually did graduate from LSU. There's not a single question you could ask me on this site about LSU academically, where buildings are located, who taught what classes, any of it, that I can't answer. Who would question if I went to LSU by now. All those posts. All that information. You are truly a dope if you think otherwise. Homer
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce Mr. "Homer" Simpson
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